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Windows Active Directory Domains

joeb1kenobe
I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an Active Directory domain structure.

We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is behind a firewall.

The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the necessary security to protect the HR Information.  

My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the needed protection of HR files.

Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.

Thanks

Joe Brown

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Re: Windows Active Directory Domains

Will Boling
Joe,

I see very, very little benefit in separating the domains.  Honestly, it sounds like an excuse to not setup share permissions and other things correctly within a shared domain.  From a management perspective, I could see this being a huge pain.  I would recommend having them consolidate the domain into one and having someone help them with permissions and object security within the domain.  Could they not utilize ACLs and VLANs on switches to provide the level of security they’re trying to use the firewall for?

Thank you,
Will

On Jul 8, 2014, at 4:48 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an Active Directory domain structure.
>
> We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is behind a firewall.
>
> The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the necessary security to protect the HR Information.  
>
> My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the needed protection of HR files.
>
> Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe Brown
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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RE: Windows Active Directory Domains

Chris Wessells
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There separate technologies mentioned.

1. Authentication
2. Network segmentation

Active directory is a hierarchy of objects you can "do" stuff with.  You can apply policies to affect client machines.  You can create groupings of objects to centralize configuration.  The relationships are hierarchical.  If the account details contained in an OU (Folder) are wished to be kept private, then make a different OU parallel to the existing OU.

Then you can restrict the user's ability to search specific OUs: "Anyone in OU=Company, has a search base of OU=Company."  They will never see the OU=HR.

HR
-User
-Computer
Company
-User
-Computer

With forethought and design, there isn't a reason to have the two servers in the forest for this scenario.  Additionally the firewall segmentation isn't necessary either.  Using NTFS file share permissions will keep users out of sensitive data.  Now there are many variables and 100 different ways to solve any IT problem so by all means this is not the only solution.  Good luck, AD is a powerful tool that can help control an environment.

Best Regards,
Chris Wessells

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Subject: Windows Active Directory Domains

I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an Active Directory domain structure.

We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is behind a firewall.

The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the necessary security to protect the HR Information.

My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the needed protection of HR files.

Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.

Thanks

Joe Brown

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RE: Windows Active Directory Domains

Michael Sturtz
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Having a separate AD forest gives the illusion of additional security.  It is not more secure.  All people in the same organization should be in the same AD forest.  Protecting HR data can and should be done at the server level and with modern Windows servers configured properly can not only prevent unwanted access you can also audit that access in a central location such as a command center.  Having a separate forest greatly complicates your design and could actually weaken the security of the HR data.  If you want more information feel free to PM me.  
Thanks,
Michael

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To: [hidden email]
Subject: Windows Active Directory Domains

I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an Active Directory domain structure.

We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is behind a firewall.

The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the necessary security to protect the HR Information.  

My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the needed protection of HR files.

Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.

Thanks

Joe Brown

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Re: Windows Active Directory Domains

Kurt Buff
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Some questions:

Who administers the firewalls separating the HR domain from the other domain?
Do the firewall admins also administer either domain?
Are the firewalls between domains even more restrictive of web
browsing and other online activity for HR than for the other staff?
Who administers the HR domain, and why are they more trusted than
those who administer the larger domain?

As you probably gather, the situation seems (to me) fraught with
redundancy and possibility for error. HR data isn't so much more
private than other data (IMHO) that it needs that kind of special
attention - the intellectual property and/or financial data and/or
business processes require pretty much an equal level of care.

Kurt

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an Active Directory domain structure.
>
> We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is behind a firewall.
>
> The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the necessary security to protect the HR Information.
>
> My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the needed protection of HR files.
>
> Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe Brown
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Securing Apache Web Server with thawte Digital Certificate
> In this guide we examine the importance of Apache-SSL and who needs an SSL certificate.  We look at how SSL works, how it benefits your company and how your customers can tell if a site is secure. You will find out how to test, purchase, install and use a thawte Digital Certificate on your Apache web server. Throughout, best practices for set-up are highlighted to help you ensure efficient ongoing management of your encryption keys and digital certificates.
>
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RE: Windows Active Directory Domains

Jim B
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Try using not different domains, but, OU's.  This way, each OU can have its
own GPO and security settings and ensure that you use groups to enhance the
security settings, not adding individuals to the OUs.

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Behalf Of [hidden email]
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To: [hidden email]
Subject: Windows Active Directory Domains

I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an
Active Directory domain structure.

We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general
users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is
behind a firewall.

The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the
necessary security to protect the HR Information.  

My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would
provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the
already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the
needed protection of HR files.

Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit
the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.

Thanks

Joe Brown

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RE: Windows Active Directory Domains

Ocala Website Designs LLC
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Tell you the truth, if the HR department has HIPPA information, or
information that is very sensitive, they should hire someone that does know
what they are doing. No offense, but a security breach is a bad way to find
out you failed at securing your HR data.  I agree, keep it simple, use a
single domain, leverage NTFS permissions and vlans properly.  

Thank you,

Tommy Thomas, MCP, Network+, Security+, C|EH, MCSE
Network Systems Administrator -::- Webmaster
Public Affairs Specialist - :: - Photojournalist
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Behalf Of Will Boling
Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:56 AM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Windows Active Directory Domains

Joe,

I see very, very little benefit in separating the domains.  Honestly, it
sounds like an excuse to not setup share permissions and other things
correctly within a shared domain.  From a management perspective, I could
see this being a huge pain.  I would recommend having them consolidate the
domain into one and having someone help them with permissions and object
security within the domain.  Could they not utilize ACLs and VLANs on
switches to provide the level of security they're trying to use the firewall
for?

Thank you,
Will

On Jul 8, 2014, at 4:48 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of
an Active Directory domain structure.
>
> We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for
general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users
that is behind a firewall.
>
> The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the
necessary security to protect the HR Information.  
>
> My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would
provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the
already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the
needed protection of HR files.
>
> Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit
the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe Brown
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- Securing Apache Web Server with thawte Digital Certificate In this
> guide we examine the importance of Apache-SSL and who needs an SSL
certificate.  We look at how SSL works, how it benefits your company and how
your customers can tell if a site is secure. You will find out how to test,
purchase, install and use a thawte Digital Certificate on your Apache web
server. Throughout, best practices for set-up are highlighted to help you
ensure efficient ongoing management of your encryption keys and digital
certificates.
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RE: Windows Active Directory Domains

Keith Kooyman
In reply to this post by joeb1kenobe
I've seen this done before by well-intentioned admins.  The truth is, in my
opinion, that what looks good in theory is in reality not a good practice.
No real security gain is accomplished and there are numerous reasons to not
do it this way.  

They would be much better off investing in layer 3 switches and a core
router and implementing a strong and secure VLAN architecture with ACL's.
As you say, you could also use the firewall to create an added layer of
protection between the HR VLAN and the rest of the network.  You could use
DLP to protect HR files.  The net result would be better security and
improved functionality.


Keith Kooyman
Network Security Instructor
254-867-3090


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To: [hidden email]
Subject: Windows Active Directory Domains

I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an
Active Directory domain structure.

We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general
users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is
behind a firewall.

The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the
necessary security to protect the HR Information.  

My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would
provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the
already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the
needed protection of HR files.

Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit
the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.

Thanks

Joe Brown

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Re: Windows Active Directory Domains

Phil Fagan
In reply to this post by joeb1kenobe
I'll take the pro side for academic reasons....

I can see a benefit for having uniq forests for this function assuming
you also have uniq roles and responsibilities. Generally through
object permissions, network segmentation, and proxy-auth access to
protected resources you can achieve an extra level of security. So if
you have a team maintain the HR firewall, HR AD assets, and HR
services wholly separate from the team that you have maintaining the
remainder of the Enterprise then yes, you improve your security
posture.

If its all the same team maintaining all the gear....its an overly
complex design and provides no true gains.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Phil Fagan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'll take the pro side for academic reasons....
>
> I can see a benefit for having uniq forests for this function assuming you
> also have uniq roles and responsibilities. Generally through object
> permissions, network segmentation, and proxy-auth access to protected
> resources you can achieve an extra level of security. So if you have a team
> maintain the HR firewall, HR AD assets, and HR services wholly separate from
> the team that you have maintaining the remainder of the Enterprise then yes,
> you improve your security posture.
>
> If its all the same team maintaining all the gear....its an overly complex
> design and provides no true gains.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of
>> an Active Directory domain structure.
>>
>> We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for
>> general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users
>> that is behind a firewall.
>>
>> The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the
>> necessary security to protect the HR Information.
>>
>> My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would
>> provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the
>> already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the
>> needed protection of HR files.
>>
>> Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit
>> the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joe Brown
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Securing Apache Web Server with thawte Digital Certificate
>> In this guide we examine the importance of Apache-SSL and who needs an SSL
>> certificate.  We look at how SSL works, how it benefits your company and how
>> your customers can tell if a site is secure. You will find out how to test,
>> purchase, install and use a thawte Digital Certificate on your Apache web
>> server. Throughout, best practices for set-up are highlighted to help you
>> ensure efficient ongoing management of your encryption keys and digital
>> certificates.
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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> Denver, CO
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RE: Windows Active Directory Domains

Mikhail A. Utin
In reply to this post by Kurt Buff
Hello,
Quote: HR data isn't so much more private than other data (IMHO) that it needs that kind of special attention - the intellectual property and/or financial data and/or business processes require pretty much an equal level of care.

Not really right as HR deals with personal identifiable information. See, for instance US MA 201 CMR 17.00, or similar. PI, i.e. legally protected personal information, is at least one record having any number (like SSN or a license) and full name. HR has a plenty of such information.

In any case when you think of protecting data, you need to clarify if any compliance is required. If do, then you need to check the regulation(s) what it exactly requires. You may build up numerous expensive and technically correct solutions, but in a case of something goes wrong and protected (in legal context) data is acquired, your incompliance will be considered first and your efforts as secondary.

I would remind that there are two parts in information security - legal (including compliance) and technical. First is more important as relates to the business directly. If there is no such matter of a compliance in your organization (there is no federal, state, local, industry regulation), then you are lucky person and have free hands.

Regards

Mikhail Utin, CISSP

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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 10:22 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Windows Active Directory Domains

Some questions:

Who administers the firewalls separating the HR domain from the other domain?
Do the firewall admins also administer either domain?
Are the firewalls between domains even more restrictive of web browsing and other online activity for HR than for the other staff?
Who administers the HR domain, and why are they more trusted than those who administer the larger domain?

As you probably gather, the situation seems (to me) fraught with redundancy and possibility for error. HR data isn't so much more private than other data (IMHO) that it needs that kind of special attention - the intellectual property and/or financial data and/or business processes require pretty much an equal level of care.

Kurt

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an Active Directory domain structure.
>
> We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is behind a firewall.
>
> The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the necessary security to protect the HR Information.
>
> My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the needed protection of HR files.
>
> Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe Brown
>
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Re: Windows Active Directory Domains

Kurt Buff
Going bankrupt because of regulatory fines (or just paying a big fine)
vs. going bankrupt (or losing lots of money) because of theft of IP or
hacked bank accounts isn't much of a choice. They both are outcomes to
be avoided by exercising due care. One might argue that the
possibility of jail time because of HIPAA provisions or other laws
might provide extra incentive, but I haven't seen much of those kinds
of penalties - yet. And, if you can achieve the same level of security
without the complexity of extra configuration, or the expense of extra
staff, then your course is pretty clear.

Kurt

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Mikhail A. Utin
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
> Quote: HR data isn't so much more private than other data (IMHO) that it needs that kind of special attention - the intellectual property and/or financial data and/or business processes require pretty much an equal level of care.
>
> Not really right as HR deals with personal identifiable information. See, for instance US MA 201 CMR 17.00, or similar. PI, i.e. legally protected personal information, is at least one record having any number (like SSN or a license) and full name. HR has a plenty of such information.
>
> In any case when you think of protecting data, you need to clarify if any compliance is required. If do, then you need to check the regulation(s) what it exactly requires. You may build up numerous expensive and technically correct solutions, but in a case of something goes wrong and protected (in legal context) data is acquired, your incompliance will be considered first and your efforts as secondary.
>
> I would remind that there are two parts in information security - legal (including compliance) and technical. First is more important as relates to the business directly. If there is no such matter of a compliance in your organization (there is no federal, state, local, industry regulation), then you are lucky person and have free hands.
>
> Regards
>
> Mikhail Utin, CISSP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 10:22 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Windows Active Directory Domains
>
> Some questions:
>
> Who administers the firewalls separating the HR domain from the other domain?
> Do the firewall admins also administer either domain?
> Are the firewalls between domains even more restrictive of web browsing and other online activity for HR than for the other staff?
> Who administers the HR domain, and why are they more trusted than those who administer the larger domain?
>
> As you probably gather, the situation seems (to me) fraught with redundancy and possibility for error. HR data isn't so much more private than other data (IMHO) that it needs that kind of special attention - the intellectual property and/or financial data and/or business processes require pretty much an equal level of care.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an Active Directory domain structure.
>>
>> We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is behind a firewall.
>>
>> The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the necessary security to protect the HR Information.
>>
>> My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the needed protection of HR files.
>>
>> Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joe Brown

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RE: Windows Active Directory Domains

Mikhail A. Utin
Quote: One might argue that the possibility of jail time because of HIPAA provisions or other laws might provide extra incentive, but I haven't seen much of those kinds of penalties - yet

Here is well-known example of MGH (Mass General Hospital) case, which paid to feds around $1M after a loss of a memory stick with a few hundred EPHI records. Monetary, even a small organization can sustain such DATA loss, but the cost of conflicting with DHHS/CMS on that matter costs much more than a fine of $1M. There is an estimate that one case of data loss in around $5M. And the most comes from legal part and various matters dealing with federal authorities. Amount of data matters but as you see in MGH case, not too much. What matters is non-compliance. I would not discuss millions of credit cards records losses (AFAIC last were Target, and eBay accounts' info as well) as DSS is commercial and not about legal part, fines, etc. Compliance is also an issue but can be easy fixed by an external audit. Big guys can easy deal with such cases. If US had a law and penalties for commercial data loss, we would see bullion-level fines.
Shortly: if feds are involved, all depends on Uncle Sam's will, and pretty innocent loss could cause a business loss.
Regards

Mikhail

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:24 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Windows Active Directory Domains

Going bankrupt because of regulatory fines (or just paying a big fine) vs. going bankrupt (or losing lots of money) because of theft of IP or hacked bank accounts isn't much of a choice. They both are outcomes to be avoided by exercising due care. One might argue that the possibility of jail time because of HIPAA provisions or other laws might provide extra incentive, but I haven't seen much of those kinds of penalties - yet. And, if you can achieve the same level of security without the complexity of extra configuration, or the expense of extra staff, then your course is pretty clear.

Kurt

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Mikhail A. Utin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
> Quote: HR data isn't so much more private than other data (IMHO) that it needs that kind of special attention - the intellectual property and/or financial data and/or business processes require pretty much an equal level of care.
>
> Not really right as HR deals with personal identifiable information. See, for instance US MA 201 CMR 17.00, or similar. PI, i.e. legally protected personal information, is at least one record having any number (like SSN or a license) and full name. HR has a plenty of such information.
>
> In any case when you think of protecting data, you need to clarify if any compliance is required. If do, then you need to check the regulation(s) what it exactly requires. You may build up numerous expensive and technically correct solutions, but in a case of something goes wrong and protected (in legal context) data is acquired, your incompliance will be considered first and your efforts as secondary.
>
> I would remind that there are two parts in information security - legal (including compliance) and technical. First is more important as relates to the business directly. If there is no such matter of a compliance in your organization (there is no federal, state, local, industry regulation), then you are lucky person and have free hands.
>
> Regards
>
> Mikhail Utin, CISSP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 10:22 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Windows Active Directory Domains
>
> Some questions:
>
> Who administers the firewalls separating the HR domain from the other domain?
> Do the firewall admins also administer either domain?
> Are the firewalls between domains even more restrictive of web browsing and other online activity for HR than for the other staff?
> Who administers the HR domain, and why are they more trusted than those who administer the larger domain?
>
> As you probably gather, the situation seems (to me) fraught with redundancy and possibility for error. HR data isn't so much more private than other data (IMHO) that it needs that kind of special attention - the intellectual property and/or financial data and/or business processes require pretty much an equal level of care.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I have a scenario where I am trying to evaluate the security benefits of an Active Directory domain structure.
>>
>> We will call the company XYX Inc. They have an AD Forest/Domain for general users. They also have a separate AD Forest/Domain for their HR Users that is behind a firewall.
>>
>> The claim is that the separate forests with a one way trust provides the necessary security to protect the HR Information.
>>
>> My thinking is that having the users/servers in the same forest would provide additional benefit of ease of use for the technical team. Using the already existing firewall, separate the servers behind the firewall for the needed protection of HR files.
>>
>> Before I make a recommendation of one way or the other, I wanted to elicit the ideas of others who may have seen similar situations.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joe Brown

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Re: Windows Active Directory Domains

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On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 08:02:35AM PDT, Mikhail A. Utin spake thusly:
> Quote: One might argue that the possibility of jail time because of HIPAA
> provisions or other laws might provide extra incentive, but I haven't seen
> much of those kinds of penalties - yet
>
> Here is well-known example of MGH (Mass General Hospital) case, which paid to

UCLA employee:
http://www.amednews.com/article/20100607/business/306079969/6/

A nurse shared data with a spouse and went to jail too but I can't find a
non-registration required link. There are more. So it does happen...

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 09:07:21AM PDT, Tracy Reed spake thusly:
> UCLA employee:
> http://www.amednews.com/article/20100607/business/306079969/6/
>
> A nurse shared data with a spouse and went to jail too but I can't find a
> non-registration required link. There are more. So it does happen...

Another one just made headlines:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/txe/News/2014/edtx-hippler-hipaa-kummerfield%20070314.html

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Kurt Buff
I'm actually glad to see this happening - finally...

Kurt

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Tracy Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 09:07:21AM PDT, Tracy Reed spake thusly:
>> UCLA employee:
>> http://www.amednews.com/article/20100607/business/306079969/6/
>>
>> A nurse shared data with a spouse and went to jail too but I can't find a
>> non-registration required link. There are more. So it does happen...
>
> Another one just made headlines:
>
> http://www.justice.gov/usao/txe/News/2014/edtx-hippler-hipaa-kummerfield%20070314.html
>
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